Forest vs. Queens Park Rangers preview..

Whilst all talk around the ‘net seems to fall into a few camps – the signing of players (in particular Victor Moses), whether or not we’ll loan out some players,  lots of former Reds people proclaiming our credentials for promotion favourably,  the small matter of playing Derby next saturday,  whether you have been lucky enough to have acquired a ticket for that match through the ballot process, the inherent unfairness of the away membership scheme…

However, all I’m thinking about right now is how to occupy myself on Saturday whilst we have no game – and our impending fixture with newly managerless (now, there’s a shock!) Queens Park Rangers.  Currently with former Reds caretaker manager Mick Harford at the helm (although it’s only Friday night – by Tuesday they could’ve had about three more managers!), having dispensed with Paul Hart’s services in less than a month.

As well as hitting the headlines for Paul Hart falling out with Tarrabt and signing former-Forest disappointment Nigel Quashie, another QPR-themed morsel doing the rounds at the moment is a rather excellent and passionate rant by one of their supporters on a message board – alas, I haven’t been sent the original board it appeared, but here it is posted on the Forest-based LTLF message board.  I can empathise with a lot of that!

Anyway, if you look up inconsistent or unpredictable in the dictionary then there will probably be a team picture of QPR next to the definition.  And with so much off-field turbulence it’s hardly surprising they’ve had a mixed time of it on the pitch.  They’ve won only one game in their last eleven, that coming at Loftus Road against Bristol City.  For a win away from home it was twelve games ago at Sheffield Wednesday.

Former Hoops Lee Camp and Dexter Blackstock will be keen to impress against the club that bizarrely loaned them to us before selling in the summer, and with no fresh injury concerns and a bit of time since our last outing Billy will have the lads revved up for this.  I hope!  QPR will of course have Quashie available, and possible returns from injury for Lee Cook and Rowan Vine.

There are very few teams, indeed, probably not any that form would suggest we couldn’t deal with – but I can’t quite let myself succumb to complacency.  Hopefully it’s the same for lads.  My memory of Mick Harford’s days in charge here was not a man who I would consider tactically astute – but certainly passionate.  Whether the rollercoaster of QPR has disrupted Billy’s careful preparations remains to be seen.

I had been looking forward to giving Harty a round of applause, although I’m not adverse to doing so for Harford either.  Certainly I wouldn’t have wanted him in permanent charge but he stepped into the breach for us and did his best.  With fans minds on Derby already we need to hope the players have a bit more mental discipline – because if they’re slack against QPR they might not get a game at Pride Park.

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  1. Slightly lazy posting. It is far too easy to have a go at us over our “managerial re-arrangements” 🙂 this season.

    BTW: We are not managerless!!

    We shall wait and see how the game works out (I expect us to lose), but in the long term I expect Forest to suffer big time, if promotion isn’t achieved this season!

    • why do you expect us to suffer if we DONT get promotion?, most expect us to suffer if we do.

    • He’s a cockney/southerner, what do you expect??? They don’t know a thing about football. The only thing that will happen if we don’t go up this year is promotion next year!!!

      come on you reds!!!!!!!!!!!

      ps, i’m weary about Tuesday night, but it’s mainly so when we finally lose, the shock won’t be so great…in fact, i’ve been weary 4 the past 18 games about the following game.

    • I’m not really having a go, it would be remiss to not comment on it – particularly since both Paul Hart and Mick Harford have history with Forest too 🙂

      Managerless without caretaker at the front, then 😛

      I can’t see why failing to be promoted would cause suffering… we have a sensibly sized squad (if anything, a bit too small) on sensible contracts…

  2. Will they be bringing a substitute manager to take over with 20 minutes to go, you reckon?

  3. MP

    I am not a “cockney/southerner”, I wasn’t born in this country, nor within the sound of Bow-Bells, so kindly stick it where the Sun doesn’t shine wherever you come from!


    I honestly do fear for you if you do not go up this season, You lot have spent so much more than us. At some point, your debts will need to be repaid!


    See my comments regarding Connect’s remarks.

    Ridsdale “lived the dream” at LUFC, look where they are now! He’s doing the same to Cardiff!

    • Our debts are to our owner, a fan, and successful businessman (and in football terms, very cautious rather than reckless which is what Ridsdale most certainly is).

      We’re structured nothing like Leeds or Cardiff – and we’ve not actually spent *that* much – so I’m not too worried. The plan was never really to go up this season anyway, so that we are within a shout of it at this stage of the season is very much a bonus.

      We’re just enjoying the ride so far.

  4. nffc

    Be very careful for what you wish for, fo one day, those dream may come true!

    Seriously, I don’t care who does what, or who achieves anything.

    All I care about is football!! FB may not be the best thing since sliced bread, but he is miles better than some of the clowns that spent 15 years destroying us.

    Make sure your owners are better than those who claimed to be the “saviours” yet still sold us down the river!!

    • Forest fans know as well as any the pitfalls of bad ownerships/directorships – it’s a rocky road. One we’ve taken a long time to recover from after a freakish rise to prominence a long long time ago.

      Put in that context, most of us have a very appreciative perspective to the (very early) stages of recovery we are showing signs of. We have a mostly young squad, on sensible and sustainable contracts, stable ownership by somebody who is actually a supporter as well as benefactor rather than a profiteerer.

      Of course, it might just all fall on its’ arse, nothing is ever guaranteed – but, as I said, for now we can relax that we aren’t going to get relegated. It might sound daft, but my targets for the season weren’t much beyond that. Probably why I’ll never be a football manager!

      The finance of football scares me – whether it being the kind of debts we are seeing some clubs saddled with, or fickle owners who tinker and change things without much proven football knowledge. I am grateful that whilst we have debt, it’s at least to a sympathetic creditor, and that he has appointed football people to make the footballing decisions.

      Time will tell whether I’m right to feel content, but hell, it sure beats being stuck in League One which we’ve just endured three seasons of (and deservedly so, I might add).

  5. John Gallagher has strange ideas of football!!!

    i dont want to fall into the same trap as he did by criticising a club i know very little about but i will comment on the obvious things:-

    Camp is one of the best, if not the best keeper in this league and for £250,000, an absolute steal.

    Blackstock also represents fantastic value for money.

    10 managers in 4 years, caretaker or otherwise is ridiclous, FB clearly hasnt got a clue and is now selling off any decent players you have left, see M’boro bid for Routledge.

    But of course, its not just a play thing for him, he obvioulsy loves football!!!! and not F1

    QPR fan i know is in dispair, 20 odd years as a season ticket holder and he is refusing to renew next year.

    Now on to Forest, every game is a potential banana skin now, please dont slip up on this one!

  6. Well said nffc, john i find your views and outlook very negative.True your team is in a mess and we as forest fans empathise as we have had years of mismanagement from clowns too.

    But QPR in my opinion in footballing terms are not even in the same leage as nottingham forest.What have you won or done in the last 30yrs ?

    We are a club who are getting back to where we really belong in the premier leage playing the forest way ,attacking flowing football with passionate players.

    When QPR have won something and cut it in the premier leage then you can come and gob off to us forest fans.Until then please accept a good stuffing from the famous team on tuesday night.

    U reds

  7. When we thumped QPR 5-2 all those years ago … one of the best games I’ve seen at the CG.
    Five past Seaman.
    Not sure if it was the match with the boxing afterwards.

  8. From the sound of it, player power is quite a problem at QPR. They have had to resort to hiring big ugly Mick to sort ’em all out.

    I will look forward to seeing Forest ‘legend’ Nigel Quashie back at the City Ground, snigger. I hope QPR are not expecting back the promising young player they had years ago. I remember Darren Fletcher on the radio used to call him ‘Quashie well wide’ because thats where his shots at goal always went. Look out on row Z…

    • Always felt quite sorry for Quashie when he came to us – he was unveiled as some kind of savour when in reality he was a young lad who needed to slot into a settled side, which we most certainly weren’t.

      It’s no wonder things never really worked out for him with us!

  9. Peter Shilton
    1977-82; 202 appearances.

    Of all Clough’s signings Shilts was perhaps the best. This prince of goalkeepers was undoubtedly at his peak during the five years he spent at Forest and was absolutely awesome in the Championship winning side of 1977-78.
    One of England’s greatest ever keepers and head and shoulders above anyone else to have kept goal for the club…..and then there was LEE CAMP what more can we say!!!

  10. Nottingham Forest’s Greatest Ever Side
    (as chosen by Football England)

    Peter Shilton
    Peter Hindley ~ Des Walker ~ Kenny Burns ~ Stuart Pearce
    Archie Gemmill ~ Neil Webb ~ Roy Keane ~ John Robertson
    Nigel Clough ~ Tony Wodcock


    Peter Grummitt
    Terry Hennessey
    Steve Hodge
    Ian Storey-Moore
    Trevor Francis

    Manager: Brian Clough

    Peter Shilton
    1977-82; 202 appearances.

    Of all Clough’s signings Shilts was perhaps the best. This prince of goalkeepers was undoubtedly at his peak during the five years he spent at Forest and was absolutely awesome in the Championship winning side of 1977-78.
    One of England’s greatest ever keepers and head and shoulders above anyone else to have kept goal for the club.

    Peter Hindley
    1962-73; 366 appearances, 10 goals.

    Hindley was not as good a footballer as Viv Anderson but he was a more reliable, and scary, defender. For ten years he patrolled the right flank of the Forest defence and during all that time he was never known to take a single prisoner.
    Hard as nails, not many wingers looked forward to facing Forest in the 60’s with Hindley on one side and the equally unpleasant John Winfield on the other.
    The only thing scarier than that prospect is the one of Hindley and Stuart Pearce in tandem.
    Don’t think Hindley was a donkey, however. He could play a bit too and represented England at Under 23 level.

    Des Walker
    1983-91 & 2002-04; 321 appearances, 1 goal.

    You’ll never beat Des Walker. That’s why he’s an automatic choice in the best ever Forest side.
    Lightning quick, perfect timer of challenges and a magnificent reader of the game. What more could you want from a centre half?
    Brutality perhaps? That’s where Kenny Burns comes in.
    Walker was the pride of the City Ground for the best part of a decade and was also the world’s finest defender during the World Cup finals of 1990.

    Kenny Burns
    1977-81; 137 appearances, 13 goals.

    Has Clough ever made a more astute signing? Scots wildman Kenny Burns was probably better known as a rampaging centre forward when the Forest manager brought him to Forest and placed him in the centre of his defence alongside Larry Lloyd.
    Within a year Forest had won the League and the League Cup and Burns had been selected as Footballer of the Year.
    You’d have got long odds on that happening when Cloughie signed him.
    There is no doubt that Burns had a savage streak but he was also a gifted footballer and a quality defender; quick across the ground, good in the air and tough tackling.

    Stuart Pearce
    1985-97; 401 appearances, 63 goals.

    A complete Forest legend “Psycho” is an automatic choice at left back in their greatest ever side.
    Wingers only had to look at his thighs to work out what kind of an afternoon was in store for them. Most weren’t good enough to take him on, those that were seldom lived to tell the tale.
    Pearce was also formidable storming forward with good crossing ability and a ferocious shot which was especially dangerous from set pieces.

    Archie Gemmill
    1977-79; 59 appearances, 4 goals.

    Archie wasn’t at Forest long and didn’t actually play on the right of midfield but he’s getting in there anyway.
    This tireless midfielder was magnificent during Forest’s League Championship success, driving the team forward with his impish dribbling and probing distribution.
    He was also a Forest player when he scored the best World Cup goal ever for Scotland against Holland.
    Well, the best one ever scored by a Scotsman at any rate.
    With an orthodox winger on the other flank having an old fashioned inside forward like Archie on the right will give this side a nice balance as well.
    Shaping up nicely, isn’t it?

    Neil Webb
    1985-89; 146 appearances, 47 goals.

    Webb was a revelation after being signed from Portsmouth and typified Clough’s Forest of the late 1980’s.
    Classy, skillful and full of attacking intent Webb scored consistently as a roving midfielder.
    Later on settled back into a more withdrawn role and pulled the strings for others to get forward.
    Just a lovely footballer, he also carried on Forest’s long and proud tradition of big money transfers who failed to really make an impact at Manchester United, although he could blame injuries for that.

    Roy Keane
    1990-93; 114 appearances, 22 goals.

    Perhaps Clough’s last great discovery. This raw Irish teenager quickly had the footballing world taking notice with his rampaging attacking midfield displays.
    Then he showed his versatility when used on occasions as a sweeper.
    It quickly became apparent that Keane was the complete midfielder, a move to Manchester United followed and the rest, as they say, is history.
    As mentioned above United were perhaps owed a debt by Forest in the transfer market after previous dealings between the clubs but they were certainly repaid in full with the capture of Keane.

    John Robertson
    1970-83 & 1985; 398 appearances, 61 goals.

    It took Robertson a while to truly establish himself at the City Ground but his deceptively lazy dribbing style on the left wing really came into its own as the team developed into one that would conquer Europe.
    Capable of jinking his way to the byeline to cross or cutting inside to go for goal with his right foot, for three years Robertson had full backs all over Europe baffled as Forest enjoyed a blaze of glory.
    A nerveless penalty taker it was from the spot that Robertson clinched Forest’s 1978 League Cup success against Liverpool but from open play that he sunk SV Hamburg in the European Cup final two years later.
    Not a bad CV although he only gets into this side by the skin of his teeth.

    Nigel Clough
    1984-93 & 1996-97; 325 appearances, 102 goals.

    His Dad’s the manager of this side so he has to get a shirt.
    Seriously though, Clough jnr. has every right to a place in Forest’s greatest ever team after being playmaker in chief for the best part of a decade in a fine, attacking, pure footballing side.
    Clough was singularly without pace, not the greatest goalscorer and pretty average in the air and yet he was an outstanding centre forward.
    Possessing one of footballs’ keenest brains Clough was always capable of finding space, had a beautiful touch, great passing ability and a wonderful awareness of everything around him.
    He must have been a dream to play alongside and it is a huge pity that his Dad could never find a real, top quality striker for him to serve.

    Tony Woodcock
    1974-79; 129 appearances, 36 goals.

    For quite a while it looked as though Woodcock would never actually make the grade at the City Ground but when he did come good it was in truly magnificent fashion.
    Quick, intelligent and extremely brave it was Woodcock’s mobility that really gave the title winning Forest side its’ cutting edge.
    Would constantly drag defenders out of position to create space for the midfield runners and was more than capable of taking his man out of the game in a one on one situation.
    Again not the most prolific of centre forwards but a player totally in the mould of Clough’s Nottingham Forest.

    Substitutes Bench

    Peter Grummitt was a safe, reliable keeper throughout the 1960’s who represented England at Under 23 level and during the second half of that decade Terry Hennessey provided the same virtues whether called upon at centre half or in midfield.
    Steve Hodge had two spells at Forest in the 1980’s and always adhered to the Clough mandate of pass and move. He was also a consistent source of goals from midfield.
    Ian Storey-Moore is incredibly unlucky not to make the starting line up and is placed on the bench behind John Robertson mainly because his explosive style of wing play seems better suited to making an impact coming on when the game is stretched.
    Fast, strong and a deadly finisher Storey-Moore gave the club sterling service for a decade and was desperately unlucky to be cut down by injury shortly after completing a move to Manchester United.
    Trevor Francis never quite hit the heights one might have expected of him after moving to Forest from Birmingham as Britain’s first £1 million pound transfer but he did head the winning goal in the European Cup final of 1979.

    Manager: Brian Clough

    Under Clough Forest won the League Championship, four League Cups, the Anglo-Scottish Cup, the Simod Cup, the Zenith Data Systems Cup, two European Cups and the European Super Cup.
    They were also runners up in the FA Cup on one occasion and twice in the League Cup.
    What have they won in the rest of their history?
    There can be no argument about the selection of Clough as Forest’s greatest ever manager. He is most probably English football’s greatest ever manager.
    Controversially outspoken the one thing you could never argue about was the quality of the football his sides produced.
    Under Clough Forest played some of the most stylish attacking football our game has ever seen and his legacy to the club and football in general is immeasurable.

    • I don’t know why this thread has been started on the QPR preview but its always a good one to talk about. Can’t really disagree with any of those choices. I would perhaps have Steve Stone instead of Terry Hennessey and I’d have to take Stan Collymore instead of Tony Woodcock. Stan was simply awesome and one of the games great wasted talents. I still believe to this day that we’d of won the UEFA Cup with him in the side. All What if’s and maybe’s now I know, but that season we finished 3rd in the prem we we’re probably a central defender and a Roy Keane away from winning the league.

      • I’m still pondering the “Hindley wasn’t as good a footballer as Anderson” – surely you’d pick Anderson then! Not old enough to have seen either myself 😦

        Much as I rejoiced in Nigel’s play for us over many years – have to agree that Collymore should be there in the starting eleven.

        • When you look back on it I’m just really glad we can have a debate like this. Agree with nffc about Anderson as well. But we’ve had some of the games greats play for us. I consider that very fortunate and down mainly to two men as they were responsible for turning many of those players into house hold names.

  11. Peter Hindley ‘ The tank’ was a legend in the Forest side that came second in he league and semi finalists of the FA cup.
    All of these ‘best’ teams are very difficult to choose but Ian Storey Moore was a tremendous player and should be in any great Forest side. Joe Baker was also worhty of a place in any Forest great team. Frank Wignall was great and possibly one of the toughest and uncompromising player we have had in the modern game.
    It is very subjective however there is a common trait ‘Come on you Reds,

  12. Agreed,we all have memories of great players,but they played to different interpretations of the rules,and they had to be good and as hard as nails in the 60s and 70s.

  13. Back to tonight… draw or 4-0, I can’t decide…

  14. Next 2 games will define our season I reckon.
    We must win both.
    If we drop points tonight and the Sheep win then they might do us on Saturday, and that could put us on a real wobble.
    Mind, if we win tonight, and we should to be fair, then beat der*y on saturday I think we’ll march relentlessly on to promotion.

    Goodness I’m confused!!

  15. 4 points from the next 2 games? Not sure which way round the results will come though!

  16. i remember saying the west brom and brum games would define us… i think we will be ok tonight but something is telling me saturday will not be good. but then again how many times have we thought that this season only to be proved wrong. please………just five more days before we all have to wake up from this dream !!!!!!!

  17. The red army marches on please accept the 5 nil stuffing our friend from QPR.

    U reds

  18. Derby will be fearful of us now they beat us last season when we had teenagers in the side.NOW WE HAVE MEN BRING THE DIIIRRREEEBY ON I SAY.

    U reds

  19. Forest could get Nigel the sack on Saturday if we give them a thumping.

    It will not be that simple though. There is no way they will lie down and let us smash ’em into the relegation zone. This is the last thing they have left to play for this season they will want to win more than anything and end our away record. Also they can wave their flag in our faces and that blonde twat can have something to crow about on the football league show.

    • Nigel’s not going to get the sack. The head sheep brought him in to do – or rather cover for – a financial restructuring job, which is working; results on the pitch are very much a secondary matter this season, 21st will keep him in a job next year. And if he learnt anything from his father, he’ll have a nice solid payoff clause in his contract that will make sacking him a costly option just when they’re trying to save cash.

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