Forest in the media is making me schizophrenic..

Like a true Jekyll and Hyde type character I keep swinging from one extreme to the other when I consider the recent media coverage Forest have been putting out there (particularly in regard to off-the-pitch activities). Perhaps this is the only way to try to express myself without going a bit funny in the head, please indulge me! My dark-sided ranting are on the left, my more optimistic mindset on the right.  Usually I try to sit on the fence, but I’m feeling a pull to both sides of it of late!

The truth, as ever – I imagine – is somewhere in the middle for those well-balanced and cunning enough to read between the lines!

Billy: Quit moaning, and work with what youve got!

Okay, it’s getting beyond a joke now.  Whilst Billy ‘third person’ Davies has clearly had frustrations over us landing his defensive targets over the course of the summer, his constant moaning about the same things – whilst always qualifying it with ‘I hate talking about this’ is getting rather irksome.

IF YOU HATE TALKING ABOUT IT, TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, SAY “NO COMMENT”.. ANYTHING!

I wouldn’t be so simplistic as some views I have read and suggest that “well, you shouldn’t have spunked £5m on strikers and ignored your defence” – clearly that wasn’t what happened, and I also wouldn’t disagree with any of the signings we made in the summer.  Let’s not forget three of them were part of the defensive unit in Camp, Lynch and Gunter.

Clearly Billy had his targets – but some didn’t succeed, leading to an imbalance – and imbalance he needs to manage.  Perhaps he should (as a commenter on here noted) have resisted the urge to loan out the likes of Joe Heath and Brendan Moloney until suitable cover was located for those positions – I certainly think he should.

That is something that was within his control, and presumably he made these decisions aware of the state of play with our defensive targets.  If he made that decision without first checking the likelihood of us landing one or more of our targets, then it doesn’t reflect very well at all!  Take some responsibility Billy, quit moaning, and get on with it!


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Billy Davies is the man who will get the sack should Forest fail to justify their summer spending and continue to pick up bad results.  Whilst it’s too early to start thinking along those lines just now, it’s fairly easy to understand why he is getting anxious about our prospects.

If Billy is identifying targets, even talking to them to test the water initially – and then being confounded by an overbearing, time-consuming and bureaucratic committee process then it must be infuriating for him – particularly when rival managers have the authority to (within a budget presumably) discuss and agree terms with the same targets.

Shaun Barker cited his reason for choosing Derby over Forest as ‘feeling more wanted’ by the Rams.  Or perhaps, despite a productive meeting with Billy Davies in Blackpool before the manager headed to Portugal, somehow his head was turned and Derby were able to conclude a piece of business very quickly.

It’s a bit of a moot point for me as with Barker I’m not convinced he is all that good – however, given our current frailties he’d be a welcome addition to the squad.  With Mills opting for Reading over us, that is perhaps a more understandable move.

I do get the feeling that Davies is operating in a rather hamstrung manner on transfers – and whilst checks and balances are important to keep a manager from spending silly money, surely the powers-that-be need to exercise a little more trust in the man they recruited to lead Forest to better times?


After all that, I’m not sure it really helped – it was a nice refresher of how to create tables in HTML, I suppose.  The mixed-messages coming out of the City Ground I suppose are the true villains of the piece, and they need to watch that because it does impact how supporters see things.  Unfortunately Forest fans (self included at times) are too easily dragged into the “ah look, it’s Billy Davies blaming everyone but himself” comments that I seem to recall originating from Derby fans.  Not the most trustworthy source for unbiased discourse on their former manager, methinks.

I suppose whether you find yourself in the black box or the grey box (or perhaps in the middle somewhere) or, like me, flitting between the two like an uncommitted moth that has a liking for both bright lights and gloomy darkness – the key thing for me is that regardless of what goes on between Davies and the transfer committee – we should be backing the lads 100% – so no more of the impatience we saw against Watford before it all went completely shit, let’s get behind the lads and the manager and at least do our bit with a bit of pride.

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8 Responses

  1. NFFC, I think you hit the nail on the head with both pieces. Whilst bemoaning the situation about the defence which in part could have been helped with a little foresight to loaning out Heath and Moloney (both clearly good enough for this level without being world beaters), the realities are that somewhere in the process, things take a lot longer to sort out than seems a) necessary and b) desireable.

    Ultimately you are right NFFC, it doesn’t help for the fans to jump on the bandwagon and start moaning. If the fans can make any difference, it will be with patience, a positive attitude and ultimately that long suffering spirit that continued to follow Forest even when they had to play out 3 seasons in League 1. I think we will stay up (mid table in view of what the team has to offer) and I hope/ don’t think that they will sack Billy if Forest don’t get into the playoffs this year. With that in mind, I’m sure any rational Forest fan will be content, not happy but content.

  2. Davies is just doing what we were all screaming for in the months/years before he came – someone talking to the fans about what is going on.

    I know it’s the same thing every week but so is every football interview. I’d rather have Davies moaning and having a not-so-veiled pop at someone than Company Man Calderwood talking about nothing. I guess it’s just a matter of personal taste.

  3. Whatever happens I expect Billy to lead us into the playoffs by the end of the season. Another good article !!!

  4. Hmmm, I also find myself flitting from dark, looming disaster waiting around the corner (BD walking out, Pleat taking over!!), to optimisitc, team being built, give it time… Forest on the rise etc etc… I hope the latter is the better weather vane right now but am just slightly irked by rave reviews of Maloney; Sol Cambell arriving at Meadow Lane… and the thought of not being able to field a defence to match the rest of the team against Derby on Saturday….

    Oh well, I think we all have to be a little patient, get behind the team, the Chairman (it is his money after all) and the manager. Remember folks, it is sometime since we had a team with the young talent of Gunter, Anderson, Tyson, Blackstock, McGoldrick and co…so let’s take a deep breath and try to be positive. The City Ground is a great place to be when the crowd are up for it…….

  5. I like what you have done here nffc, and I know that you are not the only one who feels this way. I found myself having to justify my position of “I don’t like Billy Davies but that doesn’t mean I think he is a bad manager”; while I don’t like his habit of airing dirty laundry in public (with little provocation), I can understand how he is frustrated.

    I really really wish he hadn’t loaned out the young full-backs without a recall clause though. I really like Moloney and Heath showed great promise, and to let them go without cover was foolish at best.

  6. Gee wizz guys its really early days and we are not in a relegation fight or owt like that.Look at the state of us as a team 1yr a go.

    We all want things too fast ITS GONNA TAKE TIME TAKE OR LEAVE IT.I would much prefer that we finnish strong and start slow wouldnt you nffc.?

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  7. Whatever the back room squabbles regarding Pleat etc as fans the best we can do is get behind Billy 100% and hopefully the powers that be might just realise that they have a good manager on their hands who has the majority backing of the fans and see sense and back him that little bit further and help him finish his defensive jigsaw!!

  8. I’m very optimistic that Forest can push for a play off place, the depth of the squad is far better this season. Paul McnKenna and the moose will be pivotal

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