Comments on: Stoney: I was glad Cloughie retired! http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/ The mindless ramblings of a Forest fan half imbued with a probably misguided sense of optimism.. Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:51:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Baz http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36445 Baz Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:48:32 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36445 interestingly, the Duncan Hamilton book says Cloughie was scared and the players knew it. I prefer to blame Gascoigne though. interestingly, the Duncan Hamilton book says Cloughie was scared and the players knew it. I prefer to blame Gascoigne though.

]]> By: Radgie http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36444 Radgie Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:19:28 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36444 I still say we're only where we are now because we sold Bohinen to Blackburn for 250k I still say we’re only where we are now because we sold Bohinen to Blackburn for 250k

]]> By: redash http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36433 redash Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:11:23 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36433 makes yer proud to be a red eh ?! you could not make it up makes yer proud to be a red eh ?!
you could not make it up

]]> By: nffc http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36431 nffc Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:16:11 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36431 There's plenty of pivotal moments if you think about it... Dismantling the European Cup winning squad to build the Executive Stand. The erosion of the relationship between Clough and Taylor. Liverpool fans getting us banned from Europe. Not replacing Sheringham. Our immaculate timing in being relegated just as money was streaming into the game. Not replacing Collymore (not that he was replaceable by anyone!). Allowing Scholar and the bastards in to sell Bassett's team from under him. Employing David Platt and giving him money to spend. Not investing in Paul Hart's side (although given the cash he did spend, perhaps that might be a questionable one!). They're just the ones that occur to me off the top of my head... I'm sure there are plenty more! There’s plenty of pivotal moments if you think about it…

Dismantling the European Cup winning squad to build the Executive Stand.

The erosion of the relationship between Clough and Taylor.

Liverpool fans getting us banned from Europe.

Not replacing Sheringham.

Our immaculate timing in being relegated just as money was streaming into the game.

Not replacing Collymore (not that he was replaceable by anyone!).

Allowing Scholar and the bastards in to sell Bassett’s team from under him.

Employing David Platt and giving him money to spend.

Not investing in Paul Hart’s side (although given the cash he did spend, perhaps that might be a questionable one!).

They’re just the ones that occur to me off the top of my head… I’m sure there are plenty more!

]]> By: mattyboy http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36430 mattyboy Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:09:04 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36430 Totally agree with you that Milford bottled it, and he is responsible for all our woes since. Well, apart from when Frank dragged us back then got the boot. And Hart. So on reflection, he fucked up, but the reason we are in this particular mess (and have been for some time) is incompetent top management of our football club. And Platt. So there. As for Charles' goal (sorry Steve, but it just adds to his humiliation)...the best bit of that particular evening was our help in getting him subbed. Never before have I seen a player go into such meltdown due to the abuse. Quality! Totally agree with you that Milford bottled it, and he is responsible for all our woes since. Well, apart from when Frank dragged us back then got the boot. And Hart.
So on reflection, he fucked up, but the reason we are in this particular mess (and have been for some time) is incompetent top management of our football club. And Platt. So there.
As for Charles’ goal (sorry Steve, but it just adds to his humiliation)…the best bit of that particular evening was our help in getting him subbed. Never before have I seen a player go into such meltdown due to the abuse. Quality!

]]> By: nffc http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36425 nffc Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:34:07 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36425 My memory of it (which is hazy - as I'd had a few beers, and the view from the Baseball Ground away end wasn't the best) was that Stoney had the initial effort which clipped Charles to send it in... but I guess it could've been the other way around! My memory of it (which is hazy - as I’d had a few beers, and the view from the Baseball Ground away end wasn’t the best) was that Stoney had the initial effort which clipped Charles to send it in… but I guess it could’ve been the other way around!

]]> By: latenightpsycho http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36424 latenightpsycho Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:28:38 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36424 In fairness to Stoney, he didn't get that many goals, and as he got the final touch on Gary Charles's admittedly goalbound 'effort', why shouldn't he claim it? In fairness to Stoney, he didn’t get that many goals, and as he got the final touch on Gary Charles’s admittedly goalbound ‘effort’, why shouldn’t he claim it?

]]> By: Yiannaki http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36423 Yiannaki Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:18:57 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36423 Spot on, attrocious ref who should have sent Gazza off that day. It was a horrid horrid tackle which robbed us of the Cup because of a dumb stupid ref who hadn't the guts to send off Gazza because he got injured in that tackle (if memory serves me well). He should never been allowed to stay on, so much for learning though. Some refs just do not learn... Spot on, attrocious ref who should have sent Gazza off that day. It was a horrid horrid tackle which robbed us of the Cup because of a dumb stupid ref who hadn’t the guts to send off Gazza because he got injured in that tackle (if memory serves me well). He should never been allowed to stay on, so much for learning though. Some refs just do not learn…

]]> By: redash http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36422 redash Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:12 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36422 NFFC, you were right the first time. If it was not for Gascoigne then Milford would never have been put in the position he was. However because he started the game like a Tasmanian Devil the knock on effect was Milford bottled it. Which lead to what we all know. If Milford would not have bottled it then we would have won! Mr Clough would have retired and would have been knighted. We would have gone from strength to strength. Mr Clough would not have drank and would had lead a far more healthy and relaxed lifestyle. This would have obviously kept him alive for many a year. So yes it was Gascoigne's fault !!! NFFC, you were right the first time. If it was not for Gascoigne then Milford would never have been put in the position he was. However because he started the game like a Tasmanian Devil the knock on effect was Milford bottled it. Which lead to what we all know. If Milford would not have bottled it then we would have won! Mr Clough would have retired and would have been knighted. We would have gone from strength to strength. Mr Clough would not have drank and would had lead a far more healthy and relaxed lifestyle. This would have obviously kept him alive for many a year.
So yes it was Gascoigne’s fault !!!

]]> By: nffc http://nffcblog.com/2008/02/27/stoney-i-was-glad-cloughie-retired/#comment-36412 nffc Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:45:05 +0000 http://nffc.wordpress.com/?p=745#comment-36412 It's partially imbitterment, and partial blatant fantasising... and of course, the referee Roger Milford was the main culprit that day... .. however, my outlandish theory is that if Milford had sent of Gazza for studding Parker in the chest (which wouldn't have been unreasonable!) then Forest would've gone on to win against 10 men Tottenham - of course, we would've been denied the freekick opportunity Psycho scored from after his second ridiculous challenge on Gary Charles... But, think of it this way, Gascoigne would've walked - Forest would've won the cup (assumptions abound, of course, but this is all about fantasy!)... Clough would've won that elusive FA Cup and retired - just as his health was starting to fail him, and we would've got in a new manager to enliven us rather than let us start to drop downhill. The unifying happy ending is Gascoigne would've had a chance to reflect on his stupidity and develop some professionalism that would've seen him maximise his potential and fulfill it in an England shirt - having never suffered the injury - seeing us at least qualify for 1994, and maybe go one better in Euro 96. I'm being over simplistic of course, and I don't really blame Gazza at all - I blame Roger Milford ;) It’s partially imbitterment, and partial blatant fantasising… and of course, the referee Roger Milford was the main culprit that day…

.. however, my outlandish theory is that if Milford had sent of Gazza for studding Parker in the chest (which wouldn’t have been unreasonable!) then Forest would’ve gone on to win against 10 men Tottenham - of course, we would’ve been denied the freekick opportunity Psycho scored from after his second ridiculous challenge on Gary Charles…

But, think of it this way, Gascoigne would’ve walked - Forest would’ve won the cup (assumptions abound, of course, but this is all about fantasy!)… Clough would’ve won that elusive FA Cup and retired - just as his health was starting to fail him, and we would’ve got in a new manager to enliven us rather than let us start to drop downhill.

The unifying happy ending is Gascoigne would’ve had a chance to reflect on his stupidity and develop some professionalism that would’ve seen him maximise his potential and fulfill it in an England shirt - having never suffered the injury - seeing us at least qualify for 1994, and maybe go one better in Euro 96.

I’m being over simplistic of course, and I don’t really blame Gazza at all - I blame Roger Milford ;)

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