Comments on: A cold hard reason to get promoted.. http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/ The mindless ramblings of a Forest fan half imbued with a probably misguided sense of optimism.. Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:38:21 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: codetechnology http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-23047 codetechnology Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:44:02 +0000 http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-23047 Interesting that such high player costs are tolerated... Under a new system in North America's National Hockey League (ice hockey) 54% of total league-wide revenues go to the players. The owners had to lock out the players (and lose a season) but it brought sanity to the league. Now the players are being heard talking about how overall revenue can be increased, not how much they will get. Has created a partnership in place of owner/player conflict... Interesting that such high player costs are tolerated… Under a new system in North America’s National Hockey League (ice hockey) 54% of total league-wide revenues go to the players. The owners had to lock out the players (and lose a season) but it brought sanity to the league. Now the players are being heard talking about how overall revenue can be increased, not how much they will get. Has created a partnership in place of owner/player conflict…

]]> By: JG http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22864 JG Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:25:44 +0000 http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22864 Martin, it's interesting that you'd rather aim for happy Championship than Prem oblivion. I have often wondered what it must be like to support a team in the top flight that has no realistic chance of ever winning (i.e Not a Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool fan). It seems to me that what's the point if you can't ever have a chance of winning the title??? Having said that, it would be great to see us back there!! Martin, it’s interesting that you’d rather aim for happy Championship than Prem oblivion. I have often wondered what it must be like to support a team in the top flight that has no realistic chance of ever winning (i.e Not a Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool fan). It seems to me that what’s the point if you can’t ever have a chance of winning the title???

Having said that, it would be great to see us back there!!

]]> By: Martin http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22843 Martin Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:21:39 +0000 http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22843 Anyone investing in football outside the top 5 clubs in this country may as well kiss good bye to their wallet. I doubt he came to Forest to make money or even break even, Forest are reflective of the perverse way in which football is funded and supported in the UK. It's surely upto chairman to administer a wage cap at every level? Yes we want success, we are Forest, we are Nottingham. But I'd rather opt for happy Championship rather than prem league oblivion and bust Anyone investing in football outside the top 5 clubs in this country may as well kiss good bye to their wallet.
I doubt he came to Forest to make money or even break even, Forest are reflective of the perverse way in which football is funded and supported in the UK.
It’s surely upto chairman to administer a wage cap at every level? Yes we want success, we are Forest, we are Nottingham. But I’d rather opt for happy Championship rather than prem league oblivion and bust

]]> By: JG http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22839 JG Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:47:47 +0000 http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22839 Mr Doughty is a very successful member of the Private Equity community, and his company (Doughty Hanson) have pulled off some incredibly shrewd deals. I therefore feel that it's highly unlikely that Mr Doughty can see a return coming from his Forest investments. I am sure that there are very sound tax reasons to make a loan to the club rather than a gift. It also somewhat protects Mr Doughty's interest in the club from any take over bid (which I know if rather far fetched!), as any Russian billionaire wanting to be the club would have to repay the debts. I've never actually understood why fans who become rich enough ever buy the club they support. I couldn't imagine anything worse than having fans on your back demanding you sell the club/inject more cash/sack the board etc, when its the club that you actually love! (I'd rather buy D*rby, asset strip them and send them to the conference!) Mr Doughty is a very successful member of the Private Equity community, and his company (Doughty Hanson) have pulled off some incredibly shrewd deals. I therefore feel that it’s highly unlikely that Mr Doughty can see a return coming from his Forest investments.

I am sure that there are very sound tax reasons to make a loan to the club rather than a gift. It also somewhat protects Mr Doughty’s interest in the club from any take over bid (which I know if rather far fetched!), as any Russian billionaire wanting to be the club would have to repay the debts.

I’ve never actually understood why fans who become rich enough ever buy the club they support. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than having fans on your back demanding you sell the club/inject more cash/sack the board etc, when its the club that you actually love! (I’d rather buy D*rby, asset strip them and send them to the conference!)

]]> By: George A http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22833 George A Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:23:28 +0000 http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22833 Interesting reading in another weblog (which shall remain nameless!) that many are still suspicious of Doughty. Yes, hes a businessman and yes, he may want something out of his loans to the club BUT I still believe the club would not be in existence if it wasn't for him. Surely we should be grateful for that simple fact? Interesting reading in another weblog (which shall remain nameless!) that many are still suspicious of Doughty.

Yes, hes a businessman and yes, he may want something out of his loans to the club BUT I still believe the club would not be in existence if it wasn’t for him.

Surely we should be grateful for that simple fact?

]]> By: Kieran http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22831 Kieran Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:37:03 +0000 http://nffcblog.com/2007/10/22/a-cold-hard-reason-to-get-promoted/#comment-22831 I figure that Doughty is covering himself incase the club is bought out in the future so that he will be in a position to claim back some of these 'loans'. Otherwise if he's in for the long term, which given the stadium plans ongoing he must be, he must realise that Forest will not really be in a position to pay back these loans unless we get back in the Premier League...perhaps another hope for Doughty. I was suprised to see that we still have the £3-4 mil debt to the Council though. If I remember correctly Mr Pelling very proudly announced that this was paid off last year and that Forest no longer owed any money to outside creditors...? I figure that Doughty is covering himself incase the club is bought out in the future so that he will be in a position to claim back some of these ‘loans’. Otherwise if he’s in for the long term, which given the stadium plans ongoing he must be, he must realise that Forest will not really be in a position to pay back these loans unless we get back in the Premier League…perhaps another hope for Doughty.

I was suprised to see that we still have the £3-4 mil debt to the Council though. If I remember correctly Mr Pelling very proudly announced that this was paid off last year and that Forest no longer owed any money to outside creditors…?

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